67 posts • Page 1 of 3 • 1, 2, 3. The .243 Win. Extensive information about rifle cartridge trajectory. .243 or 6 CM are good choices. Depends what the main shooting will be, if primearely a deer rifle 243 but 223 is going to be alot cheaper to run in factory ammo which means more practice and bunnys hares etc … wins hands-down. I would take the 6 CM over the .243, but the .243 has better ammo availability. The .223 Rem. Bolt action rifles, lever action, pump action, self loading rifles and other miscellaneous longarms. We offer a 100% Authenticity Guarantee on all products sold on our website. YOU CAN REVIEW PRODUCT DESCRIPTION OF 243 Vs 223 Ammo Cost And Best Deer Hunting Ammo For 223 HERE. Both have several pros and … The majority of the cartridges use bullets ranging from 85 to 105 grain, and Federal’s offerings follow that trend. That is to say, .223 Remington bullets travel 3.6 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while .243 Winchester bullets travel 3.6 times that same speed. The .243 Win. Maybe with the 77gr TMK on close shots with little chance of hitting bone. Like others said, the 243 can serve double duty as a deer rifle, and also is far superior on long shots. Depends what the main shooting will be, if primearely a deer rifle 243 but 223 is going to be alot cheaper to run in factory ammo which means more practice and bunnys hares etc … As Chuck Hawks notes in his great recoil table, the .223 Rem. Introduced only two years apart, the .223 Remington and the .243 Winchester couldn’t have come from more different neighborhoods of the firearms world. Flashing tails, leaping legs, long necks and there! Extensive information about rifle cartridge trajectory. I would take the 6 CM over the .243, but the .243 has better ammo availability. The ideal coyote hunting cartridge is flat shooting, highly accurate, and won’t ruin pelts. May 14. The .308 entered the scene in 1952 as a military service cartridge. Discussion Starter • #1 • Oct 29, 2005. what is the metric number for .243 ?? The latter two are more common, but Henry makes a sweet lever gun called the “Long Ranger” in both calibers. re: Recoil comparison- .223 vs .243 vs 30-30 Posted by lv2bowhntAU on 1/12/14 at 6:08 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt quote: A .308 that fits well will be much more pleasant to shoot than a .243 … When it comes to the 223 vs 243 recoil, you may find that hunting with a 243 may tire you out after a long day, but the 223 Remington is a faithful and easy to handle companion you’ll be glad to have by your side. Re: .223 vs .243 please. wins the availability battle. Even though the cartridges share the same roots, there is a pretty big difference in the ballistics of each cartridge that reflects the different priorities wildcatters had when designing the .243 and 7mm-08. Versatility Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Vs. .22-250 Rem. First, though the .223 Remington and the 5.56x45mm NATO are technically different cartridges (the same goes for the .308 Winchester and the 7.62x51mm NATO rounds), the practical difference in performance between the .223 vs 5.56 (and the .308 vs 7.62) is very small and doesn’t make any difference for the purposes of this article. By Chuck Hawks. True “knock-down power” depends on your bullet’s construction and minimum velocity, your cartridge, and your barrel length. Shootability Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Yea id be lookin at a 223 even tho i got mine a 243. The prices on Federal’s website don’t appear to have risen, but elsewhere I’ve seen .223 Rem. Vs. .243 Win. I don't like the .223 for whitetail. Can kill a deer on the spot but you cant hunt with them. In non-pandemic times, the .223 Rem. A .223 Rem. So a .223 Remington round exits the barrel with kinetic energy equal to the energy required for linear vertical displacement of 1250 pounds through a one foot distance, while a .243 Winchester round exiting the barrel has energy equal to the amount required to displace 1950 pounds over the same one foot distance. If you’re looking for a semi-auto, you’ll likely have better luck finding a .223 Rem., but lots of companies chamber semi-auto guns in .243 Win. “Versatility” refers to both range of bullet weights available and range of actions chambered in a specific cartridge. can maintain enough velocity to take varmint and medium-sized game out to 250 yards, or the distance at which the bullet is still travelling about 2,300 fps, according to Frank C. Barnes’ “Cartridges of the World.” But that range doesn’t apply to every bullet. .243 or 6 CM are good choices. I'm looking for a caliber that can reach out to 500 yards when needed and touch a varmint. Comparing the 22-250 and 243 from a target standpoint the 243 wins for barrel life only; 1200 vs 2500 rounds per barrel if you're pushing things fast. The .223 Rem. I’m not saying your .243 Win. It compares the .350 Legend to the .243 Win. It just depends on what you see yourself using it for. By contrast, six of Federal’s 17 .243 Win. As illustrated in the chart, .223 Remington rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3150 feet per second (fps) while .243 Winchester rounds travel at a velocity of 3180 fps. It just depends on what you see yourself using it for. Oh...and gun weight matters too for sure. The .223 is a smaller bullet not just in size but, a good deal in weight and does not have the range or power that the .243 has. Most states don't allow .223's to hunt deer. It’s better suited for varmint hunting than big game hunting, but a 62-grain Fusion or even a 55-grain Trophy Copper would reliably take down a whitetail given proper shot placement. The decision for which round is better for a given application should be made with complete information, and this article simply serves as a comparative guide, not the final say. isn’t uncomfortable, but compared to the .223 Rem., it’s snappy (depending on your rifle, of course). is the obvious winner. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by browning308, Feb 10, 2011. Ballistics Cartridges Shooting. as well. In terms of comfort, the .223 Rem. “Shootability” is a broad term we’re using to mean “how available is this caliber and how comfortable is it to shoot?”. You’ll probably pay twice as much per round as .223 Rem., but at least you’ll have something to shoot. As if that’s such a painstaking decision. There's a lot of debate as to what the best deer rifle is, but the .243 definitely has it going on. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by browning308, Feb 10, 2011. 223 vs 243 vs 270. by petemacsydney » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:59 pm Anybody got advice on 223 vs 243 vs 270? The .223 is a great varmint round and is cheaper to shoot that the .243 That means it will be more precise at long range, though there are better rifle chamberings purely for long-range target work and varminting (.22-250 and .243 Winchester come to mind). From what i've read, the 22-250 is a step up from the 223 and the 243 is 2-3 steps up from the 22-250. We offer cheap ammo and bulk ammo deals on the most popular ammo calibers. If you get a 223, look for one that has a tighter twist than 1-12. ArmyJerry fukallyall. 243 vs the 260 Rem. Since this year is such an anomaly (I hope), I’m going to give the overall nod in this category to the .223 Rem. A .243 Win. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. For many hunters, the .223 Rem. Bolt Action Rifles. In order to hit a distant target a rifle must be correctly sighted-in, and to accomplish that the shooter must have some working knowledge of the bullet's trajectory. And that’s why I … The .243 sends a bigger bullet down range and is a great long range flat shooting round in a small package capable and legal to shoot deer with. Jump to Latest Follow 21 - 31 of 31 Posts. Win. 243 minimum, but that's just my opinion. A 55-grain or 75-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip or Hornady V-Max bullet would do great work against varmints while a 100-grain Sierra Game King could take down any whitetail in North America. I like having the extra power and range for medium-sized animals, and I don’t see much downside for varmint hunting. Where before this year you could find .223 Rem. In order to hit a distant target a rifle must be correctly sighted-in, and to accomplish that the shooter must have some working knowledge of the bullet's trajectory. In a normal year, the .223 Rem. In a hot prairie dog town the .223 is less tiring. Which means it can shoot faster and harder than the .223. Prev. can push a 75-grain projectile about 3,300 feet per second at the muzzle and achieves about 1,800 foot-pounds of energy. brass life is greatly improved because AI cases don't need frequent trimming. I’d call action availability a draw. For a cartridge comparison such as the .243 vs .308, potential users want to see which has a flatter trajectory, meaning it shows less bullet drop. Although 223 will kill deer, I think its too small a caliber. The 223 is not legal for hunting in many states. I'll also add the 25'06 for consideration. Please email us if you have questions about any of our product listings. Maximum effective range is another way to compare one caliber to another. Again, the above is for comparative information purposes only, and you should consult the exact ballistics for the particular .223 Remington or .243 Winchester cartridge you're looking at purchasing. Nov 22, 2012 13,499 21,983 Kicking Ass Somewhere. .243 vs 223 AR. has slightly less range in terms of bullet weights (40 grain to 75 grain), but it covers basically the same ground. 5.56 NATO vs. .223 Remington side-by-side (Photo by PalmettoStateArmory) In fact, the 5.56 NATO is pretty much a ‘buffed up’ .223 Remington. For hunting I'd stand by the 1st statement re; 223 v 22-250, and then revise to add the 243 has heavier projectiles as well as a broader weight range so it would win the battle, in my mind anyway. The advantage of the.243 is that it's less sensitive to the wind. The .243 Winchester was developed by wildcatters who immediately grasped the accuracy potential of the .308 parent case and then necked down the case to accept .243 caliber (6mm) bullets. and the .243 Win. Generally speaking, (very generally; calm down, everyone) a .223 Rem. There's a lot of debate as to what the best deer rifle is, but the .243 definitely has it going on. This is why the military uses it. The 223 is a lot more pleasant to shoot a lot of rounds through. would be the clear winner. You can find lever, bolt, and semi-auto rifles chambered in both actions. This round is a modification of the .308 WinchesterThe .243 compares well with the .308 in terms of distance trajectory. Thread starter ArmyJerry; Start date Apr 17, 2013; Forums. can’t kill a deer past 220 yards. Joined: Feb 10, 2011 Messages: 31. Both the .243 and the .223 will stop a coyote in its tracks. That extends the maximum effective range all the way to 350 yards, depending on your velocity at the muzzle. Its on game performance is ideal. If mainly sitting in and not hiking for miles a heavier gun kicks less than a light gun in any given caliber. I have yet to meet anyone who couldn't easily master the 223. The noticeable difference to me was the ammo cost, the 223 being lower vs 243. And the Winner Is… Cartridge Type: RifleHeight: 2.045\"Width: 0.473\"Average FPS: 3179Average Energy: 1952Average Gr: 87Recoil: 1.25Power Rank: 2.77 of 20 The .243 Winchester is a round used to hunt deer and similar sized animals, some people use it on larger animals but it really isn't made for anything much bigger than a deer. 243 Winchester vs. 30-30 Win. All the old favorites are normally there, like … A 243 in a lightweight rifle may intimidate some. With dozens of countries relying on the .223/5.56 to arm their infantry, there’s usually plenty of it to go around. was designed as both a light deer rifle and a varmint cartridge—it can hold its own against high-velocity .22-calibers but still provide enough oomph to take down larger animals. Ballistically speaking, these calibers would be cousins rather than brothers. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > browning308 Member. In this comparison, the .243 Win. I like that .223 is not as overbore as .243. As hunting season approaches every year, we look toward our gun cabinets and wonder if we're really using the best deer rifle. By Chuck Hawks. Jump to Latest Follow 21 - 31 of 31 Posts. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .223 Remington vs .243 Winchester ammo rounds. I don't like the .223 for whitetail. Here’s a look at three of the best cartridges are currently listed as available. This is usually achieved by determining the maximum range at which a bullet has retained enough velocity to fully expand. The .243 Win is a necked down version of the .308 Win and was introduced to the shooting world in 1955. One way to think about this is as such: a foot-pound is a unit of energy equal to the amount of energy required to raise a weight of one pound a distance of one foot. I’m also not saying your .223 Rem. Both cartridges were introduced in the 1950s. It’s true that bullet construction and shot placement will kill an animal more effectively than poor shooting with a huge caliber. Big bucks, land management, rut reports, and tips for the whitetail obsessed. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > browning308 Member. What this cartridge offered was a long range hunting round that was able to take lighter bullets that were more suitable for target shooting and varmint hunting. for about 30 cents per round, now you’ll be lucky to find anything in stock below 60 cents. That gun’s modern military counterpart, the 5.56 NATO, has been in continuous use by militaries around the world since the early 1960s. The .243 Win. Ballistics, as they say, are king, so I’m giving the ultimate nod to the .243 Win. Winchester introduced the cartridge to the civilian market shortly thereafter in the Model 70 bolt action and the Model 88 lever action. Prev. load will reliably kill a deer out to 500 yards. , Comments have to be approved before showing up, © 2021 Foundry Outdoors - All Rights Reserved, Product successfully added to your Shopping Cart, 223 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 243 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 25 WSSM Winchester Super Short Magnum Ammo, 300 RSAUM Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum Ammo, 7mm RSAUM Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum Ammo, .223 Remington vs .243 Winchester Ammo Comparison - Ballistics Info & Chart. When it comes to availability, it’s always good to bet on the NATO caliber. The AR-15 chambered in .223 Rem. For more detailed ballistics information please refer to the exact round in question or contact the manufacturer for the pertinent information. As illustrated in the chart, .223 Remington rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3150 feet per second (fps) while .243 Winchester rounds travel at a velocity of 3180 fps. 204 vs 223 vs 22-250 vs 243. Written By Ron Spomer The sun was on the Nebraska horizon and a Mossberg 243 Winchester bolt-action was on my shoulder when a herd of November whitetails exploded from a copse of trees and scattered into the Sandhills. Make no mistake the 223 will DRT any deer with proper shot placement and shot placement above all things takes game. 223 vs 243 vs 270. The ammunition is more expensive, but it’s just as common (especially these days), and I can find rifles in lots of different actions and from many different manufacturers. Apr 17, 2013 #1 Pretty much had my heart set on converting my Rem 700 from a 308 to a 260 until the last day or so, I cant find any brass at all let alone ammo. Ah the .223, I wont give you any anecdotal stories, but I will tell you why cartridges like the .223 are effective at what they do. Such as my state of Washington requires .24 caliber/6mm minimum. The .243 is often referred to as the baby brother of the .308 Win. 1; 2; First 2 of 2 Go to page. was developed by Winchester in 1955 for use in its Model 70 bolt-action and Model 88 lever-action rifles. is a necked-down .308 Win., so it holds nearly twice as much powder as the .223 Rem. Generally speaking, a heavier bullet travelling faster will give you a better chance of putting down an animal. Federal’s 85-grain Trophy Copper also has a minimum velocity of 1,800 fps, and it’s still cooking along at that speed well past 500 yards. Bo… I guess I’ll just have to own both. It was developed in 1957 for an experimental rifle known as the AR-15. can reach out even further. Barnes lists 12 bullet weights commercially available for .243 Win., ranging from a 55-grain boat tail to a 105-grain hollow-point boat tail. Re: .223 vs .243 please. The 243 round was much louder (out in the field with no ear protection), it could reach out a little further, and with accurate hits it was instant (fall over) death to the varmint. To put this into perspective, a Boeing 737 commercial airliner travels at a cruising speed of 600 mph, or 880 fps. Like others said, the 243 can serve double duty as a deer rifle, and also is far superior on long shots. Yea id be lookin at a 223 even tho i got mine a 243. The .243 is more expensive but better at both... What to you think? what i find funny is a 22 cal. The 223 is a lot more pleasant to shoot a lot of rounds through. 1; 2; First 2 of 2 Go to page. Coyote Cartridges: .223 Rem. can push a 75-grain projectile about 3,300 feet per second at the muzzle and achieves about 1,800 foot-pounds of energy. • .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington IN THIS ARTICLE .243 Winchester vs 6mm Remington 243 Winchester 6mm Remington 244 Remington .243 Cartridge Comparison Head to Head Rifle Cartridges Hunting Ammo Ammo Ammunition Philip Massaro In 2020, .243 Win. Ballistics The 243 has a wider range of bullet weights … 243 vs 7mm-08 vs 308 Ballistics. You didn’t have to pull my arm out of it’s socket for that solution. I like that .243 has substantially more ft. lbs of energy. I'll also add the 25'06 for consideration. It’s a small-to-medium sized game caliber whose primary use has been taking down four-legged rather than two-legged critters. Still, when comparing cartridges, foot-pounds of energy is a helpful way of describing the weight of a projectile and how fast it’s moving. Joined: Feb 10, 2011 Messages: 31. double in price. The .243 Win. This worthless piece of propaganda shows the .350 (11.7 inches) leading the way over the .223 (7.3 inches), with the .243 about in-between (9.5"). Federal’s 55-grain Trophy Cooper, for example, has a minimum velocity for full expansion of only 1,800 fps. Winchester rolled the .243 out as a commercial cartridge in 1955. 243 Winchester Overview. Generally speaking, the higher the muzzle energy, the higher the stopping power. The 243 was better in windy conditions. As such, the following is for comparative information purposes only and should not be used to make precise predictions of the trajectory, performance, or true ballistics of any particular .223 Remington or .243 Winchester rounds for hunting, target shooting, plinking, or any other usage. produces about half the felt recoil of the .243 Win. is a classic Army brat. 37 Posts . I have seen some 12 twist 223s do well with bullets in the 60-64 grain range, and others that were marginal. True .223 Remington and .243 Winchester ballistics information can vary widely from the displayed information, and it is important to understand that the particular characteristics of a given round can make a substantive difference in its true performance. Banned ! As hunting season approaches every year, we look toward our gun cabinets and wonder if we're really using the best deer rifle. by contrast achieves only about 1,400 foot-pounds of energy by throwing a 75-grain projectile 2,900 fps. The main advantage if you use the 243 head space gauge to set the head space is that you can use the brass you already have and the feed rails and mag length will remain the same. All the old favorites are normally there, … But your past doesn’t define you, and it doesn’t define these calibers either. Federal lists only two .223 Rem. The .243 Win. I'm not aware of any states that prohibits the use of 243's on deer. If you have the opportunity to bust a coyote at 400 yards, the 243 will be up for it while the 223 will be a lot tougher. However, the ammo for the .243 is costlier then then the .223. 204 vs 223 vs 22-250 vs 243. are synonymous with both deer and varmint hunting, so we decided to pit them against each other to see who comes out on top. wins in a landslide. .243 vs 223 AR. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or jacketing type. As a rule of thumb, when it comes to hunting, muzzle energy is what many hunters look at when deciding on what caliber of firearm / ammunition to select. Furthermore, the muzzle energy of a .223 Remington round averages out to 1250 ft-lb, while a .243 Winchester round averages out to about 1950 ft-lb. Bullet diameter: .243 in (6.2 mm) Case length: 2.045 in (51.9 mm) Twist: 1-10, 1-8 Availability: Great But this is not a normal year. Foundry Outdoors is your trusted home for buying archery, camping, fishing, hunting, shooting sports, and outdoor gear online. Added powder increases velocity and energy, which translates to what the Internet calls “knock-down power” (more on that later). Our website lists special deals on 9mm Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 45-70 Ammo, 6.5 Creedmoor ammo, 300 Blackout Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 5.56 Ammo, Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore Ammo and more special deals on bulk ammo. You can load a bit heavier for hunting predators or varminting and since most .223 rifles have that slower twist rate, shorter leade and tighter freebore, the .223 will likely be more accurate. Maybe with the 77gr TMK on close shots with little chance of hitting bone. re: Recoil comparison- .223 vs .243 vs 30-30 Posted by lv2bowhntAU on 1/12/14 at 6:08 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt quote: A .308 that fits well will be much more pleasant to shoot than a .243 … But for purposes of this comparison, I’d give the edge to the .243 Win. is the most popular rifle in America, and Weatherby offers tack-driving bolt guns in both calibers in a wide variety of configurations. and .223 Rem and is the most bogus chart of all. Please click the above links to take a look at all of the .223 Remington and .243 Winchester ammo we have in stock and ready to ship, and let us know any parting thoughts in the comment section below. Every major manufacturer makes a bolt gun in both calibers, so that’s not a distinguishing factor. 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